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How to use LRTimelapse with After Effects

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#11 Bas
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Quote:Although in attempting to resolve this issue with AE, I discovered that LR timelapse does not support Sony arw. files Sad
... thats quite a bummer in future workflow when I just was so happy with this product
I thought you wanted to work with JPGs? Wink
For now indeed... but what about my future Wink


Quote:It's not really a problem. LRTimelapse will work, the only thing that doesn't work is loading the previews and deflickering on a RAW-file basis. But you can use the 2-step workflow as I wrote here:
http://forum.lrtimelapse.com/Thread-rw2-...202#pid202
and get the same or even better results.
True I guess, but its an extra workflow.
I just cant stand it when my pretty expensive camera has software limitations.
(no offense btw, you have just a great program)

Again, thanks for the answers.

[Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74yGIaf3Qxk]
Its my first trial with your program (and my fourth with timelapsing Wink



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#12 Bas
After thinking and reading up, you are quite right.
If you work those files hard in raw, that two step is almost necessary.
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#13 Gunther
Here is a nice workflow-tutorial for LRTimelapse together with Bridge / ACR / After Effects made by a LRTimelapse user. I stumbled upon it on youtube and thought I would like to share it with you.

Thank you Red Owl Media!

[Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwVpJ79TnbM]
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#14 Bas
I wanted to give a small update regarding my earlier questions. Seems that there is a sort of workaround for JPG to after effects after all. But is has some problems which make it quite useless for the advantages that lrtimelapse give you. I will tell them later on, but first for the people who have had the same problem as me:

Here is my tutorial for importing JPG with metadata from lightroom to After Effects:

1. Write the xmp-data to the jpg's
2. In AE choose Import > Import File
3. Change Type of Files (next to the cancel button) from 'all acceptable files' to 'all files'
4. Select the first image
5. Now, just below files of type, there is a format option. In know reads 'jpg' but change that to 'CameraRaw'
6. Click open, the CameraRaw interface will load. You already have done your work in lightroom, so just click ok.
7. Your image sequence loads with all xmp settings

Now for the problem I face, but maybe I am still doing something wrong: it only seems to read the first xmp file, and just applies it to every other image in the sequence. deflickrering will not work in this way. You still have to use the 2 pass option.

Or, maybe I am doing something wrong
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#15 morgala
(2011-07-29, 15:03)Bas Wrote: Now for the problem I face, but maybe I am still doing something wrong: it only seems to read the first xmp file, and just applies it to every other image in the sequence. deflickrering will not work in this way. You still have to use the 2 pass option.

Or, maybe I am doing something wrong

Me too. This is happening when I open JPGs as Camera Raw in AE.

Also is it possible that there is a workflow that is a bit lighter weight than using RAWs but is lossless. (e.g. tiffs or pngs) Tips on a fast(er) non destructive workflow would be amazing.
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#16 Gunther
RAW is definitely the way to go if you want lossless results. It's as well lighter as any other workflow because the other formats (jpg, tiff, dng etc.) would have to embed the xmp data in the files and not as sidecar. Tiff is not supported by LRTimelapse, DNG and JPG are.

Anyway, I'm going to look into that jpg issue and let you know.
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#17 gg67
(2011-07-29, 15:03)Bas Wrote: Now for the problem I face, but maybe I am still doing something wrong: it only seems to read the first xmp file, and just applies it to every other image in the sequence. deflickrering will not work in this way. You still have to use the 2 pass option.

Found a workaround :
Using ExifTool, extracts XMP data into sidecar files, and AE (Camera Raw) will read them, like it does with RAW images Wink

I use the batch below to generates XMP sidecar files :
Code:
@Echo Off
:: [GenerateJpegXMPs.bat]
:: description : extracts JPG metadata into separated .XMP files
:: install : put this batch in the same folder than ExifTool.exe
:: usage : Drag&Drop the folder containing the JPGs on this batch.
"%~dp0exiftool.exe" -ext jpg -o %%d%%f.xmp -r "%~1"
Echo. && Echo Done && Pause && Exit

EDIT:
Below an alternative procedure to import XMP settings properly :

1. Write xmp-data (embedded) to the jpg's (Lightroom for instance)
remark: ensures that there is no .xmp sidecar files in the JPG's folder

2. In AE choose Import > Import File
- Change Type of Files from 'all acceptable files' to 'all files'
- Select the first image
- below files of type, choose 'CameraRaw' format option
- Click open, the CameraRaw interface will load, just click ok
note : Your image sequence loads with the xmp setting of the first image only

3. Close the AE project (or AE)
4. execute GenerateJpegXMPs.bat to create .xmp sidecar files in the JPG's folder
5. re-open the AE project

Do NOT use 'Reload footage' option on the imported footage, as AE could actually import .xmp files as frame (because of the 'all files' type selected at point 3 ?), resulting in 1 invalid frame on 2 (ex: img_001.jpg, img_001.xmp, img_002.jpg, img_002.xmp, ...).
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#18 JoseAlonsoLeon
HI Bas,

I know this is an old thread but I am trying to get answers from AE and it's somewhat of a challenge, so perhaps you have their answer to the question you asked them a while ago. I too am trying to import jpg files edited in LR4.2 but After Effects does not read the changes made by LR4.

This is a real pain because I do lot's of HDR Timelapse sequences using Photomatix Pro and I am forced to use jpg as the output format because LRTimelapse will not work with Tiff files. So all my jpg files generated by Photomatix Pro are fed into LR to make final edits and then I have to exporte them again to TIFF format so that After Effects can read them. A real waste of time.

Too bad LRTimelapse does not read TIFF files. I could then make the final HDR image a Tiff file and save lot's of time.

Thanks for any help you could provide.

Regards

Jose

(2011-05-05, 17:39)Bas Wrote: Much obliged for the quick answers!
I will just dive into the templates and get them as big as I want!

I will wait for the After Effects people for the answer.
I just figured that AE would apply those, since the Joachim stated it in his tutorial, but maybe he forgot the export/ save jpg-step. Lightroom is non-destructive, maybe the bridge option not.

Regarding your later remark, I meant this tutorial for after effects,
I hade my way with LR Timelapse and JPG's today and had much fun!

Although in attempting to resolve this issue with AE, I discovered that LR timelapse does not support Sony arw. files Sad
... thats quite a bummer in future workflow when I just was so happy with this product
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#19 Ulli
Jose,

do you really need AE? The possibility of lossless export is needless when giving jpgs to AE I think?
One possibility is to do all work in LRTimelipse threefold with the bracketed exposures (see http://forum.lrtimelapse.com/Thread-hdr-...w-question) but you can't know exactly what to to at this early stage of the hdr-Workflow, so this is not the best way in my opinion!
So without HDR-TIFF-Support from LRTimelapse the little bit nasty but high quality way seems to be:
- LR do some adjustements in the RAW-Images
- generate HDR Tiffs
- LR prepare the transitions and equalize exposure "jumps"
- LR export as dng
- LRTimelapse
- LR/AE for Rendering
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#20 JoseAlonsoLeon
Thanks Ulli, but unless Gunther eventually adds TIFF support for LRTimelapse we are doomed...;-))

None the less I was finally able to make contact with Tech support and after an hour chatting with an inccompetente, I was told to email my workflow to their higher level support team, which I will do this afternoon. SO hopefully they can find a solution.

The changes we make in jpg files using LR are not added as xmp sidecar files but never the less they are embedded in the file and the proof of that was mentioned by user gg67. If you import your jpg file using AE (which by the way YES I need as it is the superior way to generate sequences, even Gunther uses it) and tricking AE into thinking that the jpg file is a Camera Raw file then it accepts the import and sees all the edits made in LR.

The only problem I have with gg67's work around is that the batch process he suggested is for Windows and I am on Mac so his workaround does not work for me.

When I told the tech guy from Adobe that what he was telling me about xmp metadta bla bla bla was BS because the inofrmation that LR puts in it's supposedly non destructive way onto the jpg file he was speechless. So he asked me to put my workflow in an email and send it to a higher levle of tech support.

Let's see what HAPPENS.....

(2013-01-11, 15:55)Ulli Wrote: Jose,

do you really need AE? The possibility of lossless export is needless when giving jpgs to AE I think?
One possibility is to do all work in LRTimelipse threefold with the bracketed exposures (see http://forum.lrtimelapse.com/Thread-hdr-...w-question) but you can't know exactly what to to at this early stage of the hdr-Workflow, so this is not the best way in my opinion!
So without HDR-TIFF-Support from LRTimelapse the little bit nasty but high quality way seems to be:
- LR do some adjustements in the RAW-Images
- generate HDR Tiffs
- LR prepare the transitions and equalize exposure "jumps"
- LR export as dng
- LRTimelapse
- LR/AE for Rendering

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