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Can LRT 3 and LRT 4 co-exist on the same computer

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#1 bilgebay
Hi Gunther,

I 've purchased the LRT4 Pro version this morning with great hopes to improve my night sky timelapses. This was a cross grade for me from LRT3 Private License. I have been extremely happy with LRT3 since my purchase a little over a year ago.

As soon as I installed the new version, I re-rendered a recent sequence I made . Unfortunately, the MB, in this version, is giving different results than the previous version and adds tails to the stars and blurs the Milkyway which is not desired at all. As a deepsky astroimager, I sacrificed a lot (like using ISO3200 and short exposures) to get tight and pin point stars. LRT3 rendered the images as I expected with almost round and tight stars.

Although the online compression is not doing justice to what LRT produces, I believe you can still see the difference between the 2 versions. Same intermediate jpeg files were used as well as exact same settings in the LRT video render module in the below 2 videos.

LRT3 - Motion blur + Sharpen --> https://vimeo.com/128800017
LRT4 - Motion blur + Sharpen --> https://vimeo.com/129016615

LRT3 has pinpoint stars and a cleaner look on the sky. LRT4 version is much better on non-moving parts and colors are more saturated.

Meanwhile, I reprocessed the raw files and exported as 8bit Tiff files with the hope of getting a better quality. Again, with the same video render settings the stars are even more elongated...if I use medium or high motion blur, all the stars become comets Sad

LRT4 - Motion blur + Sharpen (8bit tiff files) --> https://vimeo.com/129018913

And here is a comparo showing all 3 together...top window is LRT4 - 8bit TIFF, the next is LRT4 - Jpeg and the bottom is LRT3 - Jpeg.

Comparo --> https://vimeo.com/129024681


Therefore, for this specific area, I would rather use LRT3 as it was doing a much better job from my perspective. Would it be possible for me to keep both versions running on the same computer ?

Or, maybe, I'm doing something wrong and you can help me in some other way ?

Thanks

Sedat
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#2 Gunther
Hi Sedat,
that's really interesting since I didn't change anything between LRT3 and LRT4 regarding the MBP and I've not experienced any differences on all of my tests. The only thing I could imagine is, that because on mac I switched to another ffmpeg version in 4.0.3 for rendering, probably the differences come from there.
You could try using the "old" ffmpeg from the LRT3 install by copying /usr/bin/ffmpeg to your desktop when you have LRT3 installed, then installing LRT4 and then copying the ffmpeg back to /usr/bin to replace the new one. You could even rename one of those and then just switch by changing the name in the LRTimelapse settings/external programs.
Please let me know, if this makes a difference.
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#3 bilgebay
Thank you Gunther. Yes, I'm on a Mac. I will uninstall everything and follow your suggested path and see what happens.
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#4 bilgebay
Hi again,

I tried this... unfortunately it didn't help.

I've also downloaded and installed the Windows version... again stars are turning into comets even with the lowest setting.

Here is another comparison for you:

LRT3 - Mac --> https://vimeo.com/128873649
LRT4 - W64 -->https://vimeo.com/129095799

Can you please check this when you have time ?

When I wanted to run LRT3 I was asked to install a legacy version of Java but since I didn't know which version I couldn't fulfil that request Sad

I lost my toy Sad What I'm thinking is I can keep LRT3 on the Windows 7 VM on my Mac and use it only for rendering nightsky time lapses. LRT will stay on the Mac side and do the heavy duty tasks together with Lightroom.
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#5 Gunther
The way Motion Blur Plus works always makes small "comets" from stars because of the frame blending. This didn't change with LRT4. Like I told you, MBP ist the same in LRT3 like in LRT4! The only thing I could imagine is that in LRT3 MBP was not working at all, because otherwise you would have had that small "comets" there too!

I'd say that the first video that you linked to has no MBP applied at all.

I'd suggest you just leave the MPB off, if you dont want to "smear" your stars. It's the way it works and have ever worked!
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#6 bilgebay
"The only thing I could imagine is that in LRT3 MBP was not working at all, because otherwise you would have had that small "comets" there too!"

This is very interesting... and could be true...

Ok, I understand... I will try again without MB and see if I can match the previous results.

Thanks for your time Gunther.

Cheers

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